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Ridiculous Statehood by frenchfriar Ridiculous Statehood by frenchfriar
This is an attempt to show what would happen if all of the proposed states had indeed achieved statehood. Several states have been added to the map, as best as I could find descriptions of their boundaries or following what maps I found.

I used images of maps no longer in copyright as base images, and expanded upon them and changed them to get this result.

This was not my final result, alas, it is the only image that I have currently on my new computer.

Once I retrieve the rest off my old hard drive, I will post more.
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nsam85 Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2013
Very interesting, I love it! Great Job!
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frenchfriar Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks so much!

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pete8680 Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2013
Cape Breton Island was once its own Province i think. So they should b seperate from Nova Scotia
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frenchfriar Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
absolutely! I could not agree more! i really need to do an updated version , with many more states added I left out of this one! hanks for the comment!
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ArrayOfStars Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013
Also imagine if countries we treat like states actually became states, such as Israel or Russia.
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frenchfriar Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I can see making a case for Israel... even for adding the UK as individual states.. (it was actually proposed as a solution to the war debt after ww2, the British were not amused).
I can't imagine adding all of Russia to the Union even in the most ardent Ameriwank scenario, I'm even thinking of letting them keep Russian America, and turning it into three states which later joined, Alyeska, Yukon, and Severnye Sklone (the Northern Slope), with the last being another Native Nation state, like Nunuvut. Possibly even a refuge state for Czarist Russia.
Basically, the concept is a Balkanised North America, where a bunch of smaller nations later reunify.

Otherwise, yeah, I think I'm going to push it for all I can, and see what I can get into a sequel.
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LandoftheAncestors Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013
I don't see the Cherokee petition for statehood before the period of Jackson's removal.
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LandoftheAncestors Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013
Nevermind. I see it. I think this is the first time I have ever seen an approximation of the Cherokee state on a map. What might have been.
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frenchfriar Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
This map has both: a remnant of the original Cherokee holdings, in brown, north of Alabama and Georgia, south of Franklin; and the state of Sequoyah, which was proposed 2 years ahead of the full state of Oklahoma, by forming what was then "Indian Territory" into a state by itself, which remained the basis for Oklahoma statehood for the full state later.
My thoughts on this map were to allow the Cherokee nation to remain, so no Trail of Tears, but have them also be instrumental in helping the fledgling state of Sequoyah to come into being. I'm having my cake and eating it.
(and by the way, my version of the Cherokee nation on the map was taken from borders on the Indian Cessions maps, something I highly recommend googling.)
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Feh-ji-no Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2012  Student
Wait, did I get this right, 88?
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Raubritter Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
But your country is so big, all this single states would have the size of the netherlands or Bavaria and would work fine. Though, naturally government would be chaos like in the Holy Roman Empire...
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frenchfriar Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
excellent point you make there. I think managing the size of government would become very important, and certainly communication would be key
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Gurt-B-Froe Featured By Owner May 10, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
I've heard of Taiwan as a possible candidate for statehood.
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frenchfriar Featured By Owner May 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I really like that notion, especially in the context I have here, where so many former nations come together under one umbrella. It would be all too easy to go on an acquisition binge, though... so I did not pick up either Taiwan or Japan, even though I really wanted to give Japan statehood in the 1990's after fifty years of being a conquered territory... but the rest of the world would be up in arms if we had tried that, I do believe.
and thanks for the fave!
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Gurt-B-Froe Featured By Owner May 11, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
There is that possibility there would be a big mess made because of it.
You're welcome.
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AmongTheSatanic Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
Very nicely done. Looks old-fashioned, and is rather zany. Like me :D
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frenchfriar Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Exactly what I was aiming for, thank you!
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ninjablood13 Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2011
Thats is awesome
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frenchfriar Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you so very much!
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ZhaneAugustine Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2011
Thats a lotta states
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frenchfriar Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It could be worse, in the Atlas I had conceived of, there are 70 states, including Absoroka, Bermuda, the Bahamas and Japan. It's really hard to get them all in one map when you keep hearing of good ones you have not included.
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ZhaneAugustine Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2011
I bet! LOL.
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VulcanTrekkie45 Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Why is it that no matter how ATLish the map, New England always looks EXACTLY THE SAME???
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frenchfriar Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I think two reasons: Small states, with old histories. In my case, I saw no alternative boundaries proposed, that simple. Do notice the states of Manhattan and Haudenosaunee, however, replacing New York. I also changed Maine's border, but only slightly, so it's not real obvious.
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VulcanTrekkie45 Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Okay then, there's that at least.
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Salidas16 Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2011
Very Impressive
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frenchfriar Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank You!
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Aenek-Lycaon Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2011
My only biffs with this map stem from proposed states that predate and in many cases eclipse the real state, such as with Utah and Deseret. Even so, Love the map! Good work :)
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frenchfriar Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Well, the thought here was that state seperatism was much easier, so many of the splits are "modern", using historic names. Deseret on this map is a particular case in point, being the name given to the state made up of land left out of Utah territory after statehood. Naming was a real issue for me, as I wanted to stick to actual proposals as much as I could, and in this particular case, the Utes lived in the more northerly area.

Thank you so much!
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Aenek-Lycaon Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2011
Ok, that makes sense. Like I said, great work :)
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XcombatX Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2011
I've got one question; if it has been acknowledged that the Norsemen discovered Vinland (Newfoundland), Markland (Labrador), Helluland (Baffin Island) and Hvitramannaland (Chesapeake Bay), then why is the entire nation called "Vinlandia"? Although the historical name for North America has long been forgotten, some people theorize that "Ommerike" ("furthest lands") was most likely used by the Norse when referring to North America in speech and the Latin "Ultima Thule" in writing. Personally, I think it also makes more sense, seen the fact that "Ommerike" bears an uncanny resemblance to Vespucci's "America" and that it were the rumors of Scandinavian and Irish settlers in the new world that attracted Columbus' attention in the first place. Anyway, great work! :D
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frenchfriar Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Well, the answer is that I picked it arbitrarily. I think if I had been thinking along the lines you mention, i would have used "Thule"instead, as once inhabited i doubt the inhabitant would think of it as all that "ultima". I had rejected "Vinland"as being just a small region of the continent, but thought naming the continent after that area made a certain sense, much as how "Indiana" developed as a name. One of my objectives in naming was also to avoid North-&-South naming as much as I could, so "Vinlandia" is the northern continent, with "Columbia" the Southern.

Thank you!
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Imuildaeren Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2011
How do you make these maps? Edit older ones?
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frenchfriar Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
yes, I am editing old maps out of copyright. Some require much more editing than others, but I am also trying to generally give tham the appearance of coming out of the same old atlas. Rand McNally's 1898 atlas is a great source, but does not cover all of my areas, so I have had to alter other maps to fit their style.
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Imuildaeren Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2011
ok
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TomBombardier Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2011
This is extremely interesting, and I should want to take a look at that book mentioned below, though California looks a bit strange in comparison to the state proposals I'd read. Does the book mention how the Congress or Southerners originally proposed for California to encompass?
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frenchfriar Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
If you are interested, the author has a blog here: [link]

Most of his book entries are on his blog. If you do a site search, he talks about different proposals. When I was looking at splitting California (before I read his book), the many different proposals i could find either had vague descriptions, or picked a natural boundary I found hard to follow. So, I had decided on an arbitrary division which no one would like, as a compromise... as is often the case when borders are decided. I decided that a north/south division based on the Missouri Compromise would leave a mess of the state, having most of the major cities in the southern half, so I did it the other way, which sort of works.
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AngelBlue01 Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2011
Have you read Lost States ( [link] )? There are a lot more possibilities! :)
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frenchfriar Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Why, yes, I have! I love that book. My favorites from it are Absaroka, which I had seen before, and Hansonia, which I had not. All of my maps here actually date from before I read it, and although I have some other maps showing some of his states as well, I no longer have immediate access to those files. (Always keep back-ups of your files either online, or on removable media!)
One of the things that might be evident if you have read 'Lost States', is that many of the attempted states overlap, so it would be very difficult to show them all at once on one map. Also, many proposals are very vague on borders. For my efforts, I try to use either historic borders that differ from our own, or to use natural geographic borders (rivers, watersheds) instead of arbitrary lines of longitude or latitude, except for where those really do make more sense, such as where the natural boundary would be less distinct than surveying an artificial one.
Thank you for your interest!
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frenchfriar Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Edited, I found a better file! I like this version better.
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Red-Star-Flag Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
We really need a larger, readable version of this.
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frenchfriar Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Here you go, ask and ye shall receive. (at least when I can put my hands on the files.)
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frans97 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The Philippines becomes a US state? On patriotic terms, I don't want that to happen; I love my country's freedom. But, on my personal terms, I would've love to be an American citizen. =)
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frenchfriar Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yeah, we supposedly came close to doing the same thing to Cuba & the Philippines that we did to Hawaii. At that time (around 1900),there were statehood proposals from within both countries, but the US was not ready for a Spanish speaking state. (I gathered this info from online statehood proposals, so I doubt the authors were completely objective.) Although not on this map, Japan is a state in this timeline, too, having been acquired after this world's version of WW2.

Personally, just because there was a proposal does not mean I necessarily agree with the idea. In many ways, I think that these areas that the US supported as independent nations are better of for not having our interference... but who knows? Their influence as states may have had a more positive influence on the US, too.
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Neethis Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2011
Excellent stuff! I eagerly await a larger version, when you can get at it :D
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frenchfriar Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks!
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WhippetWild Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
wonderful. *sheds a tear* best map ever.
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frenchfriar Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you! I adore praise. I am proud, I matched Rand McNally pretty well on the changes.
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WhippetWild Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
no problem and I am all for alternative mapping
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